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Mystic Gohan vs. Buutenks w/ pre-ROSAT absorption
Topic Started: Jan 16 2018, 01:48 AM (974 Views)
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If Super Buu had absorbed a pre-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks (and Piccolo), would Gohan be able to defeat him?

As a bonus, if Buu had absorbed post-ROSAT Gotenks while he was in SSJ1 or 2 forms, could Gohan still win? I've always assumed that had Buu absorbed Gotenks in a lower transformation that he would be weaker.

I think Gohan takes the fight in the first round; not sure about the other scenarios.
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Gohan wins both rounds. Pre-ROAST Gohan is ridiculously weak compared to his post-ROAST self.
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Some rough math...

SSJ3 Goku: 100

SSJ Gotenks pre: 120
SSJ2: 240
SSJ3: 960

Base Gotenks post: 250
SSJ: 1,000
SSJ2: 2,000
SSJ3: 8,000

Warrior Gohan: 10,000


Evil Boo: 7,500
Gotenks Boo pre-rosat: 8,400



Boo can hang in there a little more but the outcome is no different from the manga.
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Gohan wrecks Boo like on their original fight. Pre Rosat Gotenks is much weaker than his Post Rosat self.
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Like the others said, a potential SSJ3 Gotenks from before any training was undergone wouldn't give enough of a boost to upset the course of things. But that isn't to say Buutenks couldn't win if he put that mind of Piccolo's to use and devised a cunning strategy in order to take Gohan out. Here's just a few straightforward suggestions:

1. Mafuba - Should have access to it thanks to Piccolo. Materialisation magic can create the appropriate sealing device and talisman. If Buu still wants to kill him then he can either turn both the device and Gohan into candy or toss it into the Sun or a black hole.
2. Destroy the planet - Buutenks can either physically decimate Earth like Freeza did in the movie or travel out into Space and blow it up with a ki attack from there.
3. Candy Beam - Gohan will avoid any direct assault, but concealing a piece of Buu flesh that can morph into a head tentacle or extending his limbs in a crafty manner that's able to facilitate a good trajectory of advance for the beam should do the trick.

Those are only a few possible means of attack which Buu could use. You could probably come up with a wide assortment of ways to incapacitate Gohan using his biology against him, magic, or any combination of those two features.
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I feel like Buu's mind games would still distract Gohan and after a rough fight Buu would still become the victor.
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Jan 16 2018, 04:59 AM
Some rough math...

SSJ3 Goku: 100

SSJ Gotenks pre: 120
SSJ2: 240
SSJ3: 960

Base Gotenks post: 250
SSJ: 1,000
SSJ2: 2,000
SSJ3: 8,000

Warrior Gohan: 10,000


Evil Boo: 7,500
Gotenks Boo pre-rosat: 8,400



Boo can hang in there a little more but the outcome is no different from the manga.
It really baffles me that people can watch the show or read the manga and honestly think the gap between ssj3 Goku and Gotenks, Boo and Gohan is that massive. That is an insane gap, Goku would be a joke if this was where he truly stands. Is this really all based on Piccolo thinking base Gotenks might stand a chance in what seems to amount to a gag scene of Gotenks using ridiculous techniques to fight Boo whilst he shrugs it all off? Statements like that can e considered with a grain of salt surely? Like base saiyans thinking they can beat Piccolo in the tournament which would imply Piccolo is weaker than base saiyans at The Cell Games if Gohan has gotten weaker since then.
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That's unfortunate that it baffles you.
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Maybe baffles is a strong word but do you honestly think Toriyama sees Goku in ssj3 hundreds or thousands of times weaker than Gohan at Kid Boo? I can't see it.
Edited by superperfectnerd, Jan 17 2018, 08:02 PM.
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You can blame Toriyama's improvisational style of writing for Goku's Super Saiyan 3 transformation going from amazing to ridiculously outclassed so quickly. I doubt he intended for Goku to become such a joke (and the majority of readers most likely doesn't even notice since power-scaling is a niche internet thing), but that's what happens when you hardly pay any attention to what you are writing. There was probably a point were he realized things were getting out of hand, which is why he severely de-powered the villain by coming up with that "pure Boo" bulls***.
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Kid Boo is still a major threat to the universe, it's a bit anticlimactic if he's thousands of times weaker than Super Boo whilst also 'more dangerous', Gohan should have gone to Otherworld and just stepped on him. He's got to still be strong enough and fast enough that he could potentially absorb Gohan I think. If Gohan is thousands of times stronger then he wouldn't be able to notice Gohan moving in front of his face, let alone successfully absorb him, it's not like he could surprise him either, Gohan's already been absorbed. It really makes no sense for the divide to be that wide, maybe that was the original intention with Gotenks' power but that's retracted by the end when Goku squares off against Boo alone whilst there's a perfectly healthy hybrid with hundreds of fold more power waiting patiently in the wings..

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No, I don't think AT viewed it that way. I will give you that. However I am also capable of thinking for myself.
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Gohan being hundreds, if not thousands of times stronger than Goku stretches the limits of believability but that's how it is. Even if Piccolo's statement regarding base Gotenks didn't exist, Goku would still be severely outclassed by the SS3 Gotenks (since a mere Super Saiyan Gotenks was stronger than him BEFORE training), Gohan and "Super" Boo.
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Yeah I have Gohan around five times ssj3 Goku but hundreds of times just seems unlikely to me. Pre ROSAT Bootenks would win for me if Gotenks is using ssj3.
Edited by superperfectnerd, Jan 17 2018, 11:34 PM.
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Edit: didn't mean to post this, my bad mods
Edited by SSJ, Jan 17 2018, 11:41 PM.
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